Author Archive for Dan Guido

Summer InfoSec Video/Study Group

This summer the ISIS Lab will be hosting a weekly Information Security Video/Study Group every Wednesday from 6:30pm until people get bored.

I’ll show up in the lab and hook up our gigantic LCD TV to show a different video each week and host a discussion. Afterwards, I’ll do a review of each meeting on this blog. We will default to a FreeBSD Kernel Internals DVD course if no other videos are suggested (I need to brush up on my Operating Systems!). If you have a specific video you’d like to see/discuss from Defcon, ShmooCon, HITBSecConf, Blackhat, RECon, or elsewhere then please suggest watching it!

Meetings will take place in the ISIS Lab (Room 219) located in Polytechnic University. The street address is 6 Metrotech Center, Brooklyn, NY 11201. If you’re not a regular, then I’m going to need to sign you in so call the lab phone at (718) 260-3986 when you get here. I’ll keep a bunch of menu’s in the lab and we’ll make an order for takeout shortly after everyone gets here.

This event is open to the public (duh) so please invite your friends. Send all comments, suggestions or videos you like to watch to me at dguido@gmail.com.

The first meetup is this Wednesday, May 14th. See you there!

Add this event and others to your calendar: ISIS Meetings.

Update to Single-Site-Browsers (SSBs)

I spent a lot more time thinking about SSBs over the last week or so and I’d like to use this blog to do a bit of a brain dump. A few days ago, Andrew Jaquith publicly posted the presentation that was sent me to privately. Here are links to his blog and to his presentation.

His presentation makes a number of claims about the security benefits of SSBs. It lists protection against phishing, CSRF, some types of XSS (likely all non-persistent varieties), and domain whitelisting as a future improvement to harden those protections.

I don’t think [current] SSBs completely provide those security benefits unless you do two things:

  1. You block non-SSBs from accessing your website (blocking on user agent string would be enough)
  2. You train users that an SSB is the only acceptable place to enter their password

Without those two requirements satisfied, it is my opinion that SSBs give little security benefit.

If you still allow non-SSBs to access citibank.com, then when a user clicks an XSS’d link to citibank.com, the citibank.com page will still load, and they will still be XSS’d. Similarly, CSRF continues to function as it is likely that the ’session cookie isolation’ benefit of SSBs are negated by the user likely having duplicate cookies in both their SSB and in Firefox (you must ensure the user never logs into citibank.com with their normal browser and obtain a session cookie there, hence the first requirement).

In order for the phishing protection to be effective, users must be aware that they are only supposed to encounter Citibank content in their SSB and not in their normal browser. For instance, if an SSB user encounters a Citibank phishing website in Firefox, will they close their browser and open their SSB instead? It might be the case that users will behave in this way, but I haven’t seen any verifiable proof either way.

[This hasn’t been reported on ISIS Blogs yet, but next week marks the end of our first run of “The Psychology of Security/Social Engineering”, a first-run research course here at Poly. I’m writing up a research proposal to test the above hypothesis with a group of students in the Fall.]

Lastly, if a bank starts deploying SSBs to their customers, I see this as a first step towards successfully forcing client-side requirements on users where the end-game is fully trusted computing and the open commercial web starts to disappear. This actually goes back to our “Refusing Insecure Customers” debate. It’s an evolution of the same (bad, according to readers) idea.

So, although I see where SSBs have some use and can positively affect your web security, let’s not kid ourselves, they don’t solve that much. To really be effective, they require major changes in the way you do business and [still] rely on an intelligent user. Rather, they look like avoidance of the base problem and an idealistic patch that isn’t going to work.

Oddly enough, I have been using a set of 4 Prism SSBs for the last 2 weeks and have actually grown fond of them, but not for security reasons at all. I like how they show up in my dock, that they rarely crash, and it seems natural to give such webapps “first-class” status as desktop applications. I’ll probably continue using them, but I don’t think I’ve gained any security from doing so.

That said, I think part of the problem here is that SSBs haven’t fully matured yet. I just heard about these things 2 weeks ago and I haven’t heard anyone else in the security community talking about them besides Andrew. They are a topic that deserves more attention and particularly more research from the security community as they embody a lot of attractive ideas. Despite my harsh words, I’m not ready to give up on them yet.

Let’s brainstorm: how could SSBs be more useful to security? Could we change the way they work or change how they are deployed to give us additional benefits? If you’re an InfoSec student with no good topic to research, this is without a doubt a good avenue to explore.

SFS presentation about Synology

This morning I summed up everything that happened with Synology and everything I have continued working on since my previous article was written in a deck of slides at the weekly SFS meeting.

Here is an overview of the items not covered in the previous article:

  • The director of software development at Synology contacted me one business day after my ISIS Blogs post. They have already released a firmware update to fix the most critical issues and came up with an “enhancement” plan (security fixes are not enhancements, but I digress) to fix the rest!
  • I’ve started developing ARM/Linux2.6 shellcode so I can integrate a Synology exploit into Metasploit. First try: virtualize the firmware inside of qemu. Failed. Second try: install gcc directly on device. So far so good.
  • I wrote an FTP request module for Sulley to fuzz the FTP server Synology is using. I haven’t been able to use yet because I hit the built-in connection limit on the FTP server and it starts ignoring me. That is a project for another day.

See the entire deck of slides here: http://cryptocity.net/archive/synology_presentation.pdf

Just wanted to get this out there

I’m sure most of you have read the article in BusinessWeek that turned up on Slashdot regarding the hacker attacks the US government has to deal with. If you haven’t, you really should read it because despite its obvious inaccuracies (journalists always get something horribly wrong) it’s got a ton of good information. I liked how they explained exactly how the unknown attacker uses phishing (whaling?) so effectively.

But really, my alterior motive for posting this, was so I could point out this one particularly entertaining paragraph buried in the middle of it:

Now, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman John D. Rockefeller (D-W. Va.) is said to be discreetly informing fellow senators of the Byzantine operation, in part to win their support for needed appropriations, many of which are part of classified “black” budgets kept off official government books. Rockefeller declined to comment. In January a Senate Intelligence Committee staffer urged his boss, Missouri Republican Christopher “Kit” Bond, the committee’s vice-chairman, to supplement closed-door testimony and classified documents with a viewing of the movie Die Hard 4 on a flight the senator made to New Zealand. In the film, cyber terrorists breach FBI networks, purloin financial data, and bring car traffic to a halt in Washington. Hollywood, says Bond, doesn’t exaggerate as much as people might think. “I can’t discuss classified matters,” he cautions. “But the movie illustrates the potential impact of a cyber conflict. Except for a few things, let me just tell you: It’s credible.”

For the record:

“Except for a few things, let me just tell you: It’s credible.”
- Senator Christopher “Kit” Bond (R-MO) on Die Hard 4

The dumbest thing I had to learn for the CISSP

Started because of the following twitter from tqbf

STRIDE is the dumbest acronym in security.

There are two kinds of dumb:

  1. dumb == harmful
  2. dumb == pathetic

STRIDE has a little bit of both in it, it’s pretty high on the dumb scale.

I’m taking votes for either. What’s the overall dumbest term in security (acronym or not)?

I’ll start: the dumbest (#2) thing I had to learn for the CISSP was “salami slicing.” The concept is OK, but the name makes me shake my head in shame. I shudder using this term to actually describe something to someone else.

EDIT: Ok, it might be “superzapper.”

Multiple Vulnerabilities in ALL Synology Products

In an earlier post to my personal blog as well as to this blog, I enthusiastically recommended the Synology CS407 NAS as a data storage/backup platform. I am now taking that recommendation back.

Let me just say this: it seemed like a good choice at the time, and, if I could have trusted the vendor to deploy the software on it properly, it might still be. Here is a short summary of some of the issues I found:

Table of Vulnerability Exposure for Synology Products

You can skip to the full report here: A Security Audit of the Synology Disk Station Manager (DSM) v2.0-0590 Firmware.

What follows is a complete retelling of how I got here, sort of a lesson in vulnerability disclosure (not so much discovery, you’ll see why). It’s not pretty, I didn’t do all the right things, and it’s kind of long.

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RFID security — mark your calendars!

ISIS lab alumni, Mike Aiello, will be on CBS National News @ 6pm on Sunday, April 6th talking about RFID security. Mike runs DIFRWear, a company that makes RFID-blocking apparel.

We promise we won’t store your password

This is a short rant prompted by another student’s observation that Yelp actually asks for your Gmail password as part of their signup process…

Have you encountered a website that asks for the username and password to your e-mail provider? I’m talking about this:

Facebook asking for my Gmail password
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Single Site Browsers

Single Site Browsers [to be uploaded later]

It’s an interesting idea and I can’t disagree with the concept (<3 <3 separation of privilege) but I think it’s missing a few things. Here are some observations I made about it.

  1. They acknowledge that SSB’s do nothing against malware.
  2. It solves the problem of webpages bringing in resources from all over pretty nicely. Since the organization pushing the SSB knows whats on their own website they can easily publish a whitelist of allowed domains/content or even change their own site to be simpler in that regard.
  3. I think this might come down to a social problem. If I’ve got one general purpose browser I use every day (IE, Firefox, Safari) and I have it open right now, what is going to convince me to close my browser and open a new app just to get to a website that I already have bookmarked? There needs to be some incentive besides security tied into the SSB to get people to perform the above action or companies need to disable functionality on their public websites.
  4. I think the SSB idea is really just a crutch because people can’t implement robust security policies in a browser. Think “IE Zones” on steroids or even GreenBorder (wow when did they get bought out???).

Still, it’s kind of cool.

Refusing Business from Insecure Customers

Late last year in an article titled “In Zombies We Trust,” Dan Geer suggested that there are two types of users — those who blindly say yes to everything and are probably infected with a dozen viruses and those who say no to most everything and likely escape most virus problems — and that it could be a legitimate practice for websites to further scrutinize the actions of those who always say yes to prevent them from getting into trouble while using their site. The premise is that these virus-infected users end up costing the businesses they frequent a significant amount of money by being such persistent problems.

A member of our lab (I’ll leave it to him to take credit for this idea) suggested last week that maybe this should be taken a step further. If I know that one customer of mine is more likely to be infected with a virus (or has a higher susceptibility to phishing, pick your threat) now or in the future, is it reasonable for me to completely deny him my business?

This can be easily tested using either Dan Geer’s test or by sending my customers random phishing messages for my own business (there’s even a phishing appliance to do it for you!). Ie., Paypal sends you a phishing email for themselves (sent from another domain, self-signed certificate, graphics copied incorrectly, differently formatted e-mail, whatever) and if you fall for it, they calculate your future profitability and weigh it against the costs you’ll incur if you actually do get phished in the future. If you’ve got a negative balance after this calculation, your account will be canceled and PayPal will have saved money.

The observation was also made that this is standard practice in other industries. Insurance and, regrettably, healthcare come to mind. Would this be a bad thing for web services?

Refusing Insecure Customers

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Blogging the NECCDC

-3 days: ISIS Labs is bringing 6 of its finest to compete in the North-East Collegiate Cyber Defense Competition (NECCDC) in Rochester, NY this weekend. Wish us luck!

I’ll try and keep you informed as to how the contest is going, what it’s like to compete in one of these things, and if we are winning by live-blogging the event from our hotel room each night. I don’t see that banned in any of the dozens of rules we’ve been made aware of so far! Continue reading ‘Blogging the NECCDC’

Countermeasures to Cold Booting Attacks

There’s been a bit of a back and forth discussion on one of our mailing lists regarding Ed Felten’s recent cold-booting attacks on software FDE (BitLocker, FileVault, dm-crypt etc.). I thought it might be worthwhile to collect some of the potential software-only modifications that would protect against his attacks.

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NYSec > ShmooCon

Seriously.

I had a very, very quick talk with someone at NYSec tonight and we highlighted the Social Responsibility panel at Shmoocon that wrapped it up as one of the biggest letdowns of the weekend. It’s a panel that should symbolize all the hopes and dreams our entire community wants to accomplish but instead time was wasted debating the meaning of the word ‘hacker’ and what constitutes “our” “community”. I think Toby summed it up best when he threw a Shmoo Ball and said (paraphrasing) “We’ve debated what the word hacker means for 20 years and we’ll do it 20 more. We need to move on to talk about more important topics.”

Toby is exactly right, but his comments didn’t prevent the conversation from getting derailed again just a few short minutes later…

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ISIS made some new friends

I just wanted to give a shout-out to some new friends that ISIS has made over the last few days through ShmooCon, NYSec, and elsewhere: Hello Matteo, AJ, Dino, Erik, Mike, Kees, and the NYCResistor Hacker Space! It was nice meeting all of you, keep in touch and call me if you want to grab a beer!

ShmooCon ‘08

ShmooCon has taken a nosedive. I don’t know where it went wrong, maybe this year was just a horrendously bad year, but the presentations did not meet my expectations. I can’t wait for the videos to go online in 60 days so I can watch myself hitting Simple Nomad in the face with a Shmoo Ball and being the first one to call him out on the poor quality of his presentation or the small businesses talk where Strat and I took turns dismantling all the presenter’s points.

This is the second time I’ve felt like this (the last time was after HOPE). I can’t sit here and complain anymore. If I disliked the presentations so much at ShmooCon, then I should present something myself to make up for it.

Who’s with me? HOPE/ISIS Con ‘08!